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Feb
Dipole vs Sharkfin vs Polarized Diversity (Diversity Fin)
by Glen Trew
/ 19 Comments
Thank you soooooo much for this!
I tested a number or radio mike antennas for the 695 Quarterly. The tests are available at: http://695quarterly.com/previous-issues/
(Spring 2010, Fall 2010, Winter 2011, Spring 2011 and Summer 2011)
I made three observations that are relevant to this inquiry:
1. Performance differences, while measurable, are fairly small. The range of one design will exceed another by only 10% or 20%.
2. Best to worst performance was: Yagi, log-periodic and helical (a tie), tuned dipole (e.g. SNA-600) and simple whip.
3. Maximum performance is achieved only when matching antennas are used. Mixing designs yields the performance of the weaker link. Combining a log-periodic with a whip yields only slightly better performance than just whips. At the range limit of the lower gain antenna, the signal becomes more susceptible to hits and drop-outs.
From that experience, I would regard the Polarized Diversity antenna as an inherently limited design. It may have some use in an application where deploying discrete antennas is cumbersome or not possible but it's a deliberate choice of expediency over performance.
in your experience what is the best solution for a bag sound kit with 2 ucr 411 and 3 g3 sma modded? to improve the range but also being comfortable is better sharkfin antennas or dipole (with passive splitters or multisma box)
Hi David. Thanks for your input. Sounds like your results were the same as mine. Good to be validated :)
GT
Very interesting topic indeed. Just wondering what is the point to make that Diverse-Fin if it lost with the practical test anyway? I think it's not really practical in the end and not that diverse either.
Hi Kirill,
Advantages would include price and convenience, but not necessarily performance.
Interesting. How much did you pay for the Diversity fin?
Interesting. How much did you pay for the Diversity fin?
Hi Gus. The list price is $399. I see it's not on the Trew Audio online store yet (will be very soon, I'm sure). Until then, a call to the Trew Audio sales department will tell you if that is the actual selling price.
Glen Trew
I've often wondered how the Diversity Fin compared to the other setups. I use mine for reality in a bag as a kind of 'mobile cart' where I have to be on stand-by to run away to chase talent. It's never practical to have 2 shark fins, but the dipole seems like it would be a good option as well, but I like the option of just a single unit on my bag. Not much of my time is spent with my rig strapped on, so it works well in both situations. I wonder, would turning the dipole antennae vertical have a positive or negative effect on performance?
In the real world we usually work in, where multiple reflections render the transmitted signal's polarity to be rather arbitrary, you would probably notice very little difference between pointing your antennas vertically or horizontally. However, since most people where the bodypack transmitter with the antenna vertical, the odds are in your favor to have both receiver antennas vertical, particularly with antenna diversity systems like the portable Lectros. With the Diversity Fin, one will always be polarized 90 degrees from the other.
Hi Glen,
I see on live event productions 2 other antennas, helicals and just recently dome helicals being used. Are these used in film/television and do you have any comments compared to the others you tested above?
Re David Waelder's post:
"3. Maximum performance is achieved only when matching antennas are used. Mixing designs yields the performance of the weaker link. Combining a log-periodic with a whip yields only slightly better performance than just whips. At the range limit of the lower gain antenna, the signal becomes more susceptible to hits and drop-outs."this clears up a problem I had in two shows recently. I had only one dipole antenna running on a Lectro 411 receiver (I just used the whip on the other side) and experienced occasional signal drop. I was under the mis-conception that only one dipole was required. We're going back in studio soon and this time I'll install two dipoles. I anticipate stellar reception!
Question: With 2 dipoles on a single 411 would it be wise to orient one horizontally and one vertically? Would it make no difference?
How does the range of detection compare for 6-9 kHz signals and compared to the Sennheiser shotgun microphone? Does one design provide a better SNR in wind and situation of sidelobe interference?
Is one design better for weatherproofing?
I too am interested in the combined horizontal and vertical dipole antennae
Thanks,
Rhonda
Hi Glen,
Thanks for doing this; the results were very interesting. What are the differences between an active shark fin, to that of a passive?
Some antennas have an amplifier attached to compensate for signal loss caused by long cable runs. These amplifiers (whether built onto the antenna or in a separate box) are usually phantom powered with DC voltage from the receiver.
Glen Trew
That's cleared that up. Thanks Glen.
I saw the Diversity Fin at Infocomm (and a lot of other very cool stuff) and now, I understand it. The thing is not about gain, or distance. it is about dropouts, reducing them, due to nulls that can not be fixed by two paddles.
Hi Glen
Great review. I would like to ask if the ALP 500 Lectrosonics Log Periodic antennas are any difference from other manufacture passive LP antennas considering that they both are in the same frequency range.
Mario