10
Sep
The Nagra VI, One Year Later
by Glen Trew
/ 11 Comments
Thank you Glen for an excellent review of the Nagra VI.
I am very tempted to purchase one, the question to you
In direct (pre faders) of the mixer to analog in ISO -Ch1-6 to Nagra, are you able to send out specific channels or do you send the mix( 7 mono or 7-8L/R) ?
Thank you,
Val Pricop
Production Mixer
Toronto
Hi Val. Good to hear from you (long time no see!).
The two outputs, labeled LEFT and RIGHT are outputs of the internal mixer. However, assuming that only a single channel mono mix is needed (using track 7, for example), which will appear on the left output, a separate mix can be made that will appear on the right channel. This ability can facilitate a separate mix for video assist, EPK, PA speakers, etc.
Does this answer your question?
Glen Trew
Thank you again, Glen,
What I had in mind, as when you are using Deva V, you can send out ,specific IOS channel as per request, do I have the same ability on the outputs of Nagra VI.
On the images I do see the 2 L/R analog out or digital.
I used to record on Nagra D II, same lay out !
Maybe the best way to answer this is to say that the Nagra VI only has two output channels, "LEFT" and "RIGHT", which correspond to the Nagra VI's internal virtual mixer, and are available in analog and AES outputs. Inputs can be assigned, or not, or in varying degrees with the pan pots, giving the ability to have two different mixes. Assuming that one of these mixes will be a mono mix for the recording, the other channel can be used to output a single microphone or any post fader combination of the inputs. Keep in mind that when tracks 7 and 8 are selected to be "mix tracks" of the internal mixer, the two recorder outputs will also only follow the mixer outputs.
The Deva 5 that you mentioned is different in this regard, in that its has 6 outputs that can be any combination of the inputs, prefader or postfader, unrelated to recording channels that may have been setup as mix tracks.
Glen Trew
Recording 8 ISO channels on the Nagra VI is possible only when using 4 analog inputs and 2 digital AES inputs!
"So, to utilize all eight tracks when using an external mixer, it would require a combination of four analog outputs and two digital (AES) outputs from the mixer."
Analog and AES outputs can individually carry one of the following:
ch 1-2 (ISO)
ch 3-4 (ISO)
ch 5-6 (analog or digital ISO)
ch 7-8 (digital ISO or Mix)
Monitoring (according to switch settings, all switches off can be preset as ch 7-8)
Output matrix (according to settings)
Mixer (can be set to stereo or mono)
Hello again, Valentin,
When I responded to your question about the Nagra VI output choices, I was traveling, so I answered without the benefit of being in front of a Nagra VI and its manual. My memory, and, therefor, my statement about the L/R outputs only being able to mirror the internal mixer, were incorrect...
In fact, in addition to its internal mixer L/R output channels, the Nagra VI does have the ability to output any combination of its recording tracks by using the OUTPUT MATRIX menu. This has been the case since v1.4, well over a year ago. This amount of versatility can be very valuable in film production, such as during car scenes when needing to be compact and without an additional mixer. In this case, for example, a mono mix can be sent from the Nagra VI to the directors headphones that is different than what you may choose to monitor in your headphones. This is one example of many; the possibilities of how the 8 recording channels are routed to the L/R outputs is endless.
I apologize for the inaccuracy, and hope this answers your question. More details of the L&R outputs abilities, and photos of the output menus can be seen in the Nagra VI user manual, page 23-30 (select the manual from this page: http://www.nagraaudio.com/pro/index.php).
Best,
Glen Trew
I record all 8 tracks of the Nagra VI at once using the four mic. pre-amps and the two AES3 inputs.
I have a pair of the Neumann DMI-2Portable units which can both be powered from the Nagra VI's 12V Hirose outputs and I can record four analogue microphones (or a Soundfield SPS200)plus four AES42 digital microphones at the same time - recording all 8 tracks in a single pass.
I also have the Nagra EMP to use instead of the DMI-2Ps when I want to use six analogue microphones.
Still delighted with my Nagra VI.
Thanks for the update, John.
Are you doing a mix plus 6 iso tracks or 8 isos?
What are you recording?
Glen Trew
Hi Glen,
I never do a mix on the Nagra VI - I record classical music on location, so I record all individual tracks and any mixing is done on the DAW (Sequoia 11).
The four mic. inputs on the Nagra VI are actually perfect for a Soundfield SPS200 and a few of us Nagra VI owners have been talking with both Nagra and Soundfield to see if Nagra can incorporate internal software to better monitor the SPS200 while recording - they are working on it.
I discovered the v3 bug while I was doing a location recording last year - 6 tracks of a Soundfield plus a pair of Neumann KM-D digital mics.. They were not backed up to the CF card and I informed Nagra.
It seems I was the first one to tell Nagra and they had a fix in less than two days - it was only later that I discovered that someone had found the bug earlier and posted a work-around on your site here. Unfortunately, no one told Nagra, so they did not know of the bug until I told them.
Excellent site, thanks.
John
Oh - you can see my Nagra VI with the Neumann DMI-2Ps here:-
http://tinyurl.com/NagraVI
John
A major update for Nagra 6 available since few days (3.10) .
Ambisonic decoder for monitoring (A or B to ms)
Third ms decoder (input 5&6)
Hp digital filter with variable freq and slope on each input
Slate mic routing
sepatate command for trim if pot are using for mix ( one hand use for trim and mixing)
196khz recording
rec on incoming valid Tc
and a lot of others improvments .